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  FOX News    Glenn Beck    News/Business. Guests discuss the day's top  
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    September 25, 2010
    9:00 - 10:00pm EDT  

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american dream but don't let some politician take it from you. thanks for joining us tonight. until next week, from new york, this is mike huckabee, good night and god bless! [ applause ] it as battle for the future of america. >> a battle between those who say we need less government. and those who actually say. >> you know, the government like a monster in the hills. the government is us. >> it costs to live in a civilized society and we all need to pay our fair share. >> wait a se. >> how do you give a debate to
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people that didn't put any in? >> today there is a battle between the takers andmakers. >> it as battle because the government is threatening to take us from amaker nation into taker nation status. >> the private sector is literally dying and the federal government is providing more and more pay and benefits. >> union thugs are sucking the life out of america. >> that is an absurd statement. >> you are end up with lesser people that don't produce and then that is the spiral, that is the end. >> some say america's wealth is like a pot. >> are you getting your fair share? >> butmakers actually make more pot for profit. and good news, profit got this town a better deal. >> what difference does it make if the company is making a profit but you are getting a service that costs you less? >> wish they would try that where i live. maybe then i wouldn't get taxed every waking moment. >> so many taxes.
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>> i need a drink. >> now, reporting from fox headquarters in new york, john stossel. where is america headed? the political left and right have two different visions for our future. the left wants more government and the right says we should have less. >> used our money for what? >> you heard the cries of outrage of people in california who discovered that these town managers paid themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> shame on you! shame on you! >> you were a crook yesterday, you are a crook today and you will be a crook tomorrow. >> maybe. this week they were arrested. >> they used the tax dollars collected from the hard working citizens of bell as their own piggy bank. >> but much of what they did is what lots of taxpayers do, vote to spend money on what they think is important, themselves. >> they want to do whatever the hell they want.
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>> exactly. every day politicians spend your tax dollars on their vision of what america should have. that is what some tea partyers are angry about. in this case, they are yelling kill the healthcare bill but congress didn't kill it. >> the bill is passed. >> passed along with the serve america act and wall street reforms. plus, foreclosure relief. and children's health insurance. and extend unemployment. and, of course, stimulus. thomas jefferson says it is the natural progress of things for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. but never before outside wartime has government gained so much ground. >> just got to stop spending. got to be a point to the end of it. >> for most of the light of america and when we grew the fastest government spent in today's dollars just a few hundred dollars per person.
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today the federal government alone spends $10,000 per american. total government now eats up 40% of the economy. 40%. yet the political class always claims they need more. >> many people are hurting. >> help america's steel workers. >> pass funding for black farmers now. >> i average 20 to 30 meetings a day in my office. and 20 to 30 meetings are people asking for something from the federal government. >> paul ryan is an unusual congressman because he believes government should do less. >> you are telling colleagues stay out, don't do anything? >> yeah. in many of these cases, yes. >> that is not a popular idea around here. congress listens to testimony all day and 99% comes from people asking for stuff. >> i propose that congress pass legislation. >> i propose that congress -- >> i ask congress. >> there is a reason people show up and beg. >> it does work and it does pay off. so the people who are connected get the goodies. >> that is right and that is
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what happens in a big government society. >> most people like getting free stuff. >> yes. >> i think more and more people in america are beginning to wake up to the fact that this thing is coming unglued. >> when the healthcare bill was close to passage, ryan took on the government directly. >> this bill does not control costs. this bill does not reduce deficits. >> there is strong disagreements on the numbers here, paul. >> the president smiled and they took hands but came no where close to agreeing. >> trillions in obligations that we have no means to pay for. >> why are your colleagues saying it is okay to spend more? are you saying they are stupid or don't care or are pandering for votes? >> they believe that the government should be far larger and far big. stop spending so much. >> that is something you should tell the republicans, john. >> democratic congressman rob andrews is a friend of paul ryan. he says don't blame us. >> president regan and both president bushes spent more
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than either president clinton or president obama. but to assign responsibility to the democrats for this problem is not factually accurate. >> it is true that in the past, government has grown just as much. sometimes more under republicans. but these days it is the democrats who are most eager to spend. >> there you go. >> don't you think government is doing too much? this is what built the country, this is the declaration of independence, the constitution. it's pretty thin. limited government. i mean you guys have gone way beyond this. i don't think that a social security system is excessive government. i don't think that a medicare system is excessive government. i don't think that the student loan system is excessive government. >> we have to make sure that the most vulnerable people are always protected. >> protected by a bigger government is their argument.
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and mark hill makes their case better than most. >> we have suffering everywhere. >> here he is giving a commencement address in california. >> republicans and democrats, poor people and rich people, middle class, black, white, involved ins to be stoved in the struggle. >> those at the top of the economic ladder have to make sacrifices that will benefit everyone. everyone benefits when we pay a little more to have universal healthcare. everybody benefits from that. >> by we you mean government. >> we look at the government like it is a monster in the hill that comes down from the mountains and takes our tax money. >> yes. >> the government is us. >> the government is us? >> in your ideal world, what percent of the economy should government be? >> for me, housing, healthcare and education in addition to national defense i think that the government must provide for people and that is probably where we differ. if that means 20% i'm i kay
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with it. if it means 30% i'm okay with it. i don't think it will get that big it. >> it is already bigger than that. for the history of america it was tiny, less than 5%. >> much of that has to do with inefficiency and waste. >> but you want more. >> i don't want more inefficiency and waste. it is not big enough now. it is not big enough now. >> it is awfully big. so big that we are now $13 trillion in debt and yet they keep spending more. >> there you go. there you go. we are done. >> how will we pay for it? we fight most about the income tax. >> raising taxes is a recipe for disaster. >> but there are so many other taxes. payroll. corporate. capital gains. estate. sales taxes. equal to the income tax are dozens of sneaky taxes you may not even know about.
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you and i pay them all day long from the moment i wake up and turn on a light. i pay more when i brush my teeth and license my dog. my building pays property and fuel taxes and adds it to my monthly bill. and when i leave home i pay the metropolitan transportation utility tax. at work i make a phone call or get a bite to eat or a soda to drink. >> i would like a smoked turkey. >> when i gas up my car as much as a quarter of the price of gas is federal, state and city ex-center ice tax. people pay sales taxes all day long. >> so many taxes. i need a drink. >> i'm lucky i don't smoke. yet some people say we should pay more. and all those taxes are just fine, say progressives. >> it costs to live in a
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civilized society and we all need to pay our fair share. >> our fair share. row gress ives say taking from the rich to help the poor is the fairest system. no, the fairest system is the one that rewards themakers in society and opposed to rewarding the takers in society. >> arthur wrote "the battle" which argues that a fight between free enterprise and the government will shape our future. >> towards more redistribution and exempting more people from paying anything and loading more of the taxes on to the top earners in our society. >> but i'm wealthy, it's kind to take it away from me and give it to people who need it more. >> actually, it's not. the government does not create wealth, it uses wealth that has been created by the private sector. americans are in open rebellon today because the government is threatening to take us from amaker nation into taker nation status. >> a taker nation? well, this are plenty of
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or double points. some people say either you are amaker or a taker. today themakers and takers are battling for america's soul. it as battle because we are fighting on our culture. 60% of americans take more out of the public finance system than they pay in. get more in public services than they pay in taxs. >> how do you give a debate to people that didn't put any bait in? >> there are makeers and takers. i live the life of a taker. >> star parker was a taker and lived off welfare for 7 years and says the welfare bureaucracy encouraged her to stay dependent. >> they made sure that you didn't work, you didn't save and you didn't get married. >> and if you don't work or save or marry you got a check.
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>> two checks. first and the 15th. food stamps and the medical expenses paid. >> the createors of welfare, meant well, meant to help people but handouts have unintended consequences. >> once i found out about welfare why work when i can hang out here? this is fabulous, you know. >> even if welfare encouraged dependency, progressives say, other programs don't. >> we have all sorts of things designed not to give people just a handout but to give people a fighting chance. >> a fighting chance. so many people vandalized their public housing projects that government ended up destroying them. again. and again. >> they build it, and then they blow it up. public housing doesn't wreck neighborhoods. unattended public housing wrecks neighborhoods.
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look at the taylor homes early in the 1960s in chicago, they worked out just fine. >> fine? government programs do often start nice. but within 15 years the taylor homes were a crime-ridden graffiti covered wreck. the government solution? once again, demolly project.gisdemolish the entire once again, the left wants more handouts. >> the basics of democratic citizenship are housing, healthcare and education. >> what happened to life, liberty and pursuit of happy. >> that is a secret code for housingion healthcare and education. >> that is a big step beyond. >> you can't have liberty and happiness if you don't have access to a hospital. >> if you leave people alone to have life, liberty and pursue their own happiness that is different from taking money from one group of people to give other people housing and
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healthcare. >> we are not giving people housing and healthcare. even people who live in public housing pay taxes. we are creating an investment. >> we are not teaching dependency. >> you can run the risk of intergenerational laziness but i don't think that the welfare state necessarily means that. >> it does says star parker. >> it is easier to take than to make. that is one of the greatest tragedies of becoming a taker is you don't think about somebody else had to make this. >> you are entitled to the amount. >> entitled to it. >> entitled to a nice apartment on a treelined street with a balcony. >> i had a fire place and a spa in the back. >> stories like hers drove the push for welfare reform. >> today we are taking an historic chance to make welfare what it was meant to be, a second chance, not a way of life. >> some people predicted trauma we haven't known since the cholera epidemic. families will fracture. a million children could be
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forced into poverty. >> there would be people starving in the streets. >> the record numbers of people on there left the welfare system and nobody died. >> star parker found jobs. >> i started a magazine and it began to grow over time. >> she never returned to welfare. >> most people went and got jobs and some went home and apologized to their mom and moved in and started over and got back into school. folks started thinking about their own life again. >> nearly 2 million children rose out of poverty. welfare case loads fell by half. yet that success hasn't convinced politicians that handouts hurt people. >> it is essential to pass the unemployment insurance expense. >> unemployment used to last 26 weeks but congress extended them to nearly two years. that does encourage dependency. >> it did encourage me to pass up open -- job openings that i could have applied for. >> how many? >> probably half a dozen. >> patrick berry lost his job
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writing software manuals. he says his 99 weeks of unemployment benefits led him to turn jobs down because they paid less than unemployment. >> that would amount to a pay cut and why would i want to do that. >> fresno, california, has 17% unemployment. people who run employment agencies here tell us people turn down jobs all the time. >> we call them for a position and they say no thanks i'm on unemployment. a lot of people take advantage to try to work the system, say if it's going to give me money why not take it. >> unemployment agencies say many people just pretend to look for work. they pretend because that is required to get your check. >> they are completely not dressed for an interview in shorts, a t-shirt and flip flops saying i want to get a job really bad, please hire me. they come through the interview process and we know that they are not going to go to work. >> i would say that 25% to 35% of the people that we are talking to are just not trying. >> that is not what we hear
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from our president. >> i haven't met any american who would rather have an unemployment check than a meaningful job that lets you apply for your family. >> incentives mattered. in denmark, they once offered five years of unemployment benefits. when did many find work? surprise, after five years. so they cut it to four years and then danes found jobs in four years. this year denmark cut the benefits in half. >> one third of the unemployed find work immediately when their unemployment benefits run out. >> when there were only a few weeks left i did start looking at jobs that i had been passing up the chance to apply for. >> we should have a safety net to help people who cannot help themselves. but i don't think we out to have a safety net that lulls people into complacency on the dependence on the federal
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what makes you happy? money? then what could be better than winning a lottery. look at those big smiles. >> oh, my gosh. >> but here is the surprise for most. a few months late. they are not happier at all. on the contrary, they are less happy. when people don't earn their own success they are not as happy and as healthy. >> arthur brooks wrote a book about happiness. >> they are not as happy. >> they are not as happy. >> to would make you happy to get a check. >> earned success is the
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eelixir of joy. >> people who accomplish things. >> and earn their success. >> jesse walter runs cupcake kid. that does cooking events for kids. here she is teaching them how to make zucchini muffins. walter lost a job on wall street when the housing bubble burst but she didn't mope and ask for a handout. she thought about what she could do next. while helping herself she helped others. not just the kid, she created jobs. >> an events manager. a kitchen manager. ing awesome. i work more than i did if that is believable. >> and despite that she says she is happier. >> i love it and every day is different. >> these are the happiest people and those are the people most rewarded most of the time by the free enterprise system. >> a recent gallup poll found business owners have a higher sense of well being even though
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they work longer hours and make less money. >> there is an enormous causal relationship between how much success that you think you earned and how happy you are. and if that is followed by money so much the better. >> i live in janesville, wisconsin and i can think of ten entrepreneurs that started businesses and they look at this as the american dream. >> one is ralph. he started this deli with his father. >> he bought this little candy store. >> in 60 years they grew is into a famous, wisconsin superdeli. >> i love everything about it. i'm taking my daughter here from california to experience tenuta's. >> the owners have given lots of kids their first job. >> he wants to hire through the years thousands of kids. >> this is whatmakers do. they create opportunities for themselves and others. >> you can start off and go and make it for yourself.
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from america's news headquarters, i'm marianne rafferty. wisconsin and minnesota still plagued by flooding tonight but some area are starting to see some relief. parts of southeastern, minnesota remain under water. the zumbro river rising to the second story of many homes in the vicinity. sandy point in central, wisconsin is getting some of its worst flooding in 17 years. officials say the flood threat is over in the western wisconsin town of arcadia. authorities believe a frightening scene in sweden may be the result of a hoax. the pakistani airlines jet was forced to make an emergency landing in stock home. a woman phoned in a tip that a passenger had explosives.
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all 273 people onboard were quickly deplaned far from the terminal building. police questioned a 25-year-old canadian on the plane and then released him. i'm marianne rafferty. now, back to "the battle for the future" hosted by john stossel. i get to work most mornings. i take the subway. sometimes i take the bus. both the bus and the subways in my town are run by an organization called the mta, a government monopoly that is losing money hand over fist. most of that money goes to pay bus drivers, subway conductors, train mechanics and so forth. most of whom are union members and most belong to transit local union 100 run by john samuels. >> we represent 34,000 subway and bus workers.
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>> and their contract much too rich says the mta. >> the mta says we are $800 million in the hole. cut us some slack. >> there is nothing funny about it says james mcdougal. public sector unions are parasites that will bankrupt america. >> it is literally the parasite devouring the host. >> the host he says is private enterprise and the parasite is unions and government. >> it is crazy that the private sector is literally dying and the federal government is providing more and more and more pay and benefits to its own ememployees at the same time. >> mcdougal built this payroll service company from scratch. his business was all about employee pay and so over the years he has been dismayed to watch government award their workers raises and special benefits like retirement at age 55.
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>> used to be the deal you could work for the government because it is safe, you can't be fired but you make less. now, they make if you include the pension, double. >> more than double because they have fantastic benefits. >> people say you union thugs are sucking the life out of america. >> you know what i say to that, i say there is a trade union movement. it is the greatest antipoverty program that was developed. >> jobs are the best antipoverty program. there is more job growth when you guys are not involve. >> that is false. the trade union movement and civil service in the country has been the gateway into the middle class. that is what this is all about. >> i don't know many in the middle class with benefits like these. union transit workers reach top pay grade after just three years. take lots of sick days with full pay and get to retire with a good pension at age 55. >> why is that fair? >> well, let me tell you why isn't that fair? >> because most people can't.
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most people work 'til 65 or longer. >> let's address that. we work in disgusting conditions. we work around human fecal matter, dead rats. we breathe in steel dust all day long. we are out there keeping the system running when folks like you are sitting in the studio interviewing guys like me. is that fair? >> and to make it fair you get to retear at 55. >> absolutely. >> transit workers like cops and firemen say they deserve higher pay because their jobs are dangerous. america's most dangerous jobs are logging and most dangerous of all, fishing. much more dangerous than police or transit workers. >> loggers don't retire at 55. people who fish for a living. >> i don't know anything about logging. >> i look at the most deadly jobs. fishing is at the top of the list. >> logging, farming,
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garbagemen, workers. transit workers are way down. >> this is the richest country in the world. >> that can't afford you any more. >> that is an absurd statement. >> their pay is so much higher than what a private business can afford to pay. it is a corrupt practice to see the way that they burn taxpayer dollars. >> schoohe trains bus drivers t often loses them to the mta. much better benefits. starts with a 30 day vacation. hard to compete. >> not to mention all the sick days. >> a fourth of the workers took more than 15 sick days. in the private sector they wouldn't last long doing that. >> i don't believe that is true. >> it is not true that if a quarter of the people take 15 sick days. >> about 25% of our work force are women. women have babies. >> but in the private sector they are women getting pregnant. >> are you saying that women who are pregnant, how long
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is -- i mean let's -- >> i'm wondering why there is so many sick days. >> i'm telling you why there is so many sick days. a significant amount of new york city transit workers are women now and it never was like that. >> there are a lot of women around here, too. >> and when they get pregnant how much time do they take off work? >> i don't know. i will find out. >> you don't really have an answer for it. >> i got an answer. new mothers at both the mta and fox get maternity leave and lots of women around here have gotten pregnant but not single fox employee took 15 sick days. the average was three sick days. and women take no more than men. 83 transit workers claimed a passenger spat on me. 51 of them took an average 64 days off. >> have you ever been spit on? >> yeah, actually. i don't like it but i wouldn't get 64 days off. >> we have had folks that have
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been spat on that have gotten hepatitis. spit in the eye and gotten eye infections and taken significant amount of times off for that. >> unions always have reasons why taxpayers must pay but why do government officials agree to the deal? >> unions do what unions do. if you are dumb enough to negotiate the stupid deals that the mta management has negotiated then shame on them. >> most of those elected officials don't know how to read a balance sheet. they are not equipped to manage the process of managing 22 million people who work in the public sector. >> some who were equipped didn't seem to care. after all, the pension bill won't come due until late. the person that did it 20 years ago is now long gone. we have in effect the crimeless victim, the taxpayer but nobody really committed a crime. >> we won. >> and the political machinery
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perpetuates the scam. politicians give workers raises and then the workers campaign for the pols. >> a money pump from the taxpayer to the public employees. to dues to the union from the union to the candidate who will promise to do more for the public sector employee. it's crazy. >> even popular politicians cannot break the cycle. when arnold schwarzenegger tried he was met by this and cuts didn't happen. >> the legislature has decided it is more important to protect state employees. >> california now has a $19 billion deficit. were the state a private company it would be bankrupt and replaced by more efficient competition. but most government workers don't have competition. >> in the private sector, there are no monopolies. so if someone overpays and overpromises their workers they go out of business. >> yes, they do. >> but in government -- >> we don't have a choice of saying we are going to have someone else be our police
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department or someone else be our fire department. >> union benefits are so good that in miami thousands lined up to apply for fire department jobs. some camped out for two days. a few towns have escaped the money pump by privatizing public services. these workers fixing streets and picking up trash at sandy springs, georgia, gee, racetrack they working fast? these workers work for a private company and they get more work done in less time. >> we have fewer employees than the city to the north of us and we have exactly the same population. >> the mayor just coincidence she looks like margaret thatchier, started privatizing the town's work five years ago. some in town were not happy that their tack money were becoming some company's profit. >> i said what difference does it make if the company is getting a profit but you are getting a service that costs you less. >> we have 18 on the road.
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>> at the traffic management center they have computers and cameras. so when a car cashes fire they send out rescue vehicles reit away. >> we try to find the problems before anybody is actually calling us with this. >> this realtor was amazed at the difference. >> five or six miles of new sidewalks installed, our traffic lights are synchronized now so there aren't traffic jams. >> we had a survey done asking the public how do you feel about each of these services and the answers came back 90% very good, excellent. >> but sandy springs is an exception. most cities and states are still at the mercy of public sector unions. and the debts keep adding up. so far, america has been able to pay the bills. >> but one day the parasite gets so big that there is no host any more and then they both die and we are heading in that direction now.
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people keep too much pie, they cheat the middle class and poor out of their fair share. the rich sure do take home lots of pie. but, does that really hurt the poor? >> if this represents the wealth of america progressives would say the rich take so much that the poor just get a sliver. >> after all, as the movie wall street says. >> the zero sum game. somebody wins, somebody loses. money itself isn't lost or made, it is simply transfer. >> that is a mckinley islamists is a mistake a lot of people make. >> a society that grows the pie. what a concept. that is how it works in the free society because it is not a zero sum game.
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themakers who get rich, get rich by baking many more pies. steve jobs making billions doesn't leave the rest of us poorer. his new technology makes us all richer. >> we keep making it better and better and better. >> rich capitalists are not evil. they grow the pie. it is why despite recessions the average american income has kept rising. still, some rich people are very rich. the guy who owns this house owns a dozen others. since our government is so deep in debt, shouldn't people this rich pay more? >> shelters thud pay more. those who have more should pay more. >> is there a point where the rich leave or stop producing wealth? >> the rich always cried wolf and said if we change this one bit the country is going to go away. but that never happens. >> look at what happened to maryland's tax revenues when they created a special tax on rich people. >> it was supposed to bring in $106 million. >> right. >> what happened?
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>> they lost $257 million? >> surprise. >> well, i'm surprise. >> nobody should be surprise. >> this former maryland governor who is now running again opposed the tax. >> they are always surprised, john. reminds me of charlie brown. he was always surprised when lucy pulled the football away and they are always surprised in washington and state capitals when the dollars never come? >> some of maryland's rich people just left the state. >> they were out of here. these people aren't stupid. >> i lived here all my life. >> tom isn't stupid. he lives in that big house we showed you before. he made millions building this business which processes pay checks for companies. >> i started with $3,000 and one employee. then he created 13,000 jobs. but will they and he keep paying taxes here in new york state after the governor signed a tax increase? >> we increased the income tax for millionaires last year.
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>> quite frankly it was the straw that broke the camel's back. not that i like to throw the number around but my personal income tax last year would have been $13,800 a day. >> would you like to write a check for $13,800 a day for a state government as opposed to moving to another state where there is no state income tax or a low state income tax? >> he did also have this house in florida. >> and moving to florida z, zero. zero personal income tax. >> and so he just moved. he now spends more than half the year in florida. new york's governor says the tax increase was a mistake. >> and we projectd that we would get $4 billion and we actually got well short of it. >> just economics. people don't work to pay taxes. people work to get what they can after taxes. >> art laffer was an economic advisor to president regan. >> they will change where they earn their income. how they earn their income. how much they earn and when
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they receive the income they will change. all of those things to minimize taxs. >> most of us won't. most of us say i make a little bit less but it is not enough to make me move or stop working. >> maybe you but i moved from california to tennessee because of it. >> donald trump says, of course, the rich will leave. they will leave the united states. i know these people. they are international people. whether they live here or in a place like switzerland doesn't really matter to them. >> you haven't left. >> i haven't left yet. >> going to leave. >> big story if i leave. if i leave, new york, that is a big story. the rich people going to leave and other people are going to leave. you are going to end up with lots of people that don't produce and then that is the spiral, that is the end. >> so are we in a debt spiral with no hope of return? no, say some. we can fix this. i will show you their plan, when we come back.
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is america going to hell in a hand basket? will government feed the takers million the makers are crippled? that has been the trend. but now there is something new in the air. >> you work for us! you work for us! >> for the first time since the founding of the republic, people are visibly mad. they are pushing back against the growth of government. for good reason. >> we are send a message. >> the interest in our debt alone will soon eat our future. >> we have all these time bombs built into the programs and they will come due and crash the economy. we have to correct them. >> but politicians promise to protect the spending. >> i will protect medicare. >> republicans, too. >> it is going to cut medicare for your seniors. >> but occasionally a
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politician says enough. >> i have vetoed the budget. >> when gary johnson was governor of new mexico he kept saying no. >> i vetoed half of the budget. >> they must have hated you. >> they did. >> one of the my veto messages was i'm vetoing this piece of legislation because it is just way too long and we don't even understand what it says. >> after all these details, new mexico must have collapsed and -- vetoes, new mexico must have collapsed in a heap of misery and poverty. >> what you think is you have to sign the bills to get reelected. i vetoed all the bills and got reelected. >> reelected by a large margin while criticizing government. >> man should remain master over government and not the other way around. >> voters seemed to like that. much of the political class didn't. and johnson vetoed even nice
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sounding bills like what does he have against child care? >> establish a pilot program allowing the state to reimburse grandparents who take care of children in welfare families. [ laughter ] pilot program i think is the key word there. >> pilot program sounds good. we are going to test it before we fund it. >> the agenda was really about growing government, about spending more money and really not making a difference. >> come on, guys. >> but all the spending -- >> i vetoed a dog and cat exercise bill. and this is a republican bill. but for my signature it would have been law in new mexico that pet stores exercise their dogs and cats two hours a day three times a week. i signd that piece of legislation. i have to then establish the dog and cat exercise police. well, intentioned but come on, where does government end and where does personal responsibility begin? >> the founders knew. government should end at
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keeping the peace and enforcing contracts and property rights. limited government. leaves people free to pursue their own dream. and that is worth fighting for. >> we are in a fight up here not over ideas, over an idea which is the american idea built upon the founders' principles. >> and when sees the tea party protests and entrepreneurs overcoming obstacles he believes the american idea will prevail. >> i think we will turn this thing around. >> that is the same reason art can talk about entitlement and still look cheer. >> why can we smile when we are going to hell? because i think we will reverse it. low rate flat tax, turn all the programs into defined contribution plans, privatizing, selling off fannie mae and freddi fred demack youn
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